My genetics and Hungarians, Huns, Avars

At first, far in Jan-2022 I thought it’s not related to me. But some time later, Jun-2022 I realized there are some results with yDNA haplogroup I2a+ I-Y4460.

Based on source “Whole genome analysis sheds light on the genetic origin of Huns, Avars and conquering Hungarians” (Jan-2022):

  • “sequenced 9 Hun, 143 Avar and 113 Hungarian conquest period samples, and identified three core populations, representing immigrants from each period, with no recent European ancestry”. Andrii: 265 results.
  • “results suggest that this “immigrant core” of both Huns and Avars originated in present day Mongolia, and their origin can be traced back to Xiongnus“.
  • “On the other hand, the “immigrant core” of the conquering Hungarians derived from an earlier admixture of Mansis, early Sarmatians and descendants of late Xiongnus”.
  • “… detected shared Hun-related ancestry in numerous Avar and Hungarian conquest period genetic outliers indicating a genetic link between these successive nomadic groups”.
  • “identified that the majority of the individuals from each period were local residents, harboring “native European” ancestry.”

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Why T2T is so important?

First time I realized T2T existence from a few posts on Facebook group about FTDNA BigY – T2T, which seemed to me a some kind of scam (so far I don’t have source it was/is true plan). Then a few posts from Ted Kandell proved that T2T results are actual stuff. Then I realized existence of FTT SNP index, and finally I realized, that FTDNA reorganized I-S17250 haplogroup/branch results which is NOT particularly related to me, but still I am interested in that branch also.

So this article is about what is T2T and why it’s important, in particular my interest is yDNA genetics research.

The article will evolve, because I expect some big news after #RootsTech webinar in March 2022.

Source Facebook, but later on such posts and images have been removed, so I am NOT sure true or false that information was

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Ancestry.com DNA results

I know ancestry.com since around 2010, when I joined (created account) for mostly genealogical searches. And at that time I had a paid subscription. Bu in 2014-2015 years I declined the subscription. Then I got my first results from FamilyTreeDna aka FTDNA I then uploaded raw DNA file to a few other companies, and I described my ethnicity results in dedicated article in 2016 – #atDNA 3 [ethnicity admixture]. Since then I didn’t order DNA kit from ancestry, because I knew it will require shipping from/to USA and they will not ship to neither Ukraine or Poland. Meanwhile, in 2020 I ordered Dante Labs WGS kind of test – but it’s only yDNA/mtDNA results. And in 2021 year, I was lucky to get atDNA results from Ancestry.com, which in general very common for Ukrainians – so not much of discoveries, but just one more test.

 

Aug-Nov-2021 overview results here. Nov-2021

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Dante Labs WGS results

In Nov-2020 I ordered an Whole Genome Sequencing test from Dante Labs test, with receiving a DNA kit (delivered from Germany/Italy to Poland)/ Sent to the laboratory. It’s kind of Full Genome testing (not working link anymore), there was a “Black Friday” discount, and comparing other companies this one seems to be cheaper ($181 for 30x test). Also they had other, more expensive tests ($726 for 30x test – $1030 for “130x + 30x” test). Nowadays a web page with details is here and as I see it’s not clear where new people can order test now. Looks like they do not offer tests anymore? Reminds me of LivingDNA a few years ago…

Anyhow, the promised Dante Labs results in Feb-2021 were delayed, and finally in Jun-2021 I got results.

Short outcome: looks like some kind of not reliable company (imho).

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Genetics Research Results Review [2014-2021]

This summary-article is about all genetic resources/services I use for my genetics/DNA research as for the Feb-2021. I planned to publish such article a few years ago, but let it be this one.

Content:

  • History of my orders and companies.
  • Other genetics companies to test with / upload raw data.
  • FAQ which I dare to answer :).
  • What next?

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Ancient DNA and Me

Looking up shared segments in modern human genome in comparison with ancient DNA is not really useful for genealogical research, but is rather interesting in long term historical and anthropological research. I’m an not educated in neither directions, but I combine the information collected for my research. I wanted to publish such article since 2016 year, when I first realized GEDMATCH service help. But the topic itself isn’t priority for me, and is not an easy task. Lot of different thoughts and ideas about what is true and what is false. Anyway this article intent to be a collection of tools, mostly free Internet resources, where we can gain some data in regards to ancient DNA (also called archaic DNA). And is rather combination of atDNA, xDNA (my detailed article), yDNA (my latest article) and mtDNA (my article). All information below in most cases proves many genetics questions and mysteries in regards countries, ethnicities admixture, and why a particular ancient DNA fossil I have a shared DNA segments with…

This is heatmap from GEDMATCH 🙂

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Gleb Svyatoslavich and me

yDNA I2a haplogroup got a “Viking” result – Gleb Svyatoslavich [1051 – 1078] – from recent research.

rodovid.org says, that this portrait of the results of the work of Kiev criminalists (from the alleged skull of Gleb Svyatoslavich). Here is PDF in Ukrainian lang, about detailed skull research results. And on geni.com I took that “beautified” portrait of Gleb. For the lack of better imagery of Gleb I took that “beautified” and compared to myself.

My Viking/Varangian/Slavic/Rurik’s cousin Gleb is on the left side, and me on the right side.

The fact, that we both Ruthenians and blue-eye men it’s well known and OK, but his face reminds not me, but one of my neighbors in village where I born in Ukraine 😀 Seriously… jokes aside… And how I look now in 2020, you can see on my WordPress avatar. I will maybe create a face recognition model for machine learning (Neural Network) and will define how much really different my face is from Gleb’s. That would be an interesting programming task (but requires better quality of Gleb’s photo).

VK542_and_me_v1

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How I met “Loschbour” Man – my 8000 y.o. yDNA cousin

First time I’ve heard about Loschbour Man, was somewhere when I researched ancient DNA (2017/2018). It could have been mix of Eupedia, GEDMATCH, FTDNA and YFULL as a source for me. And finally Sep-08-2019 I visited Luxembourg to meet my cousin 🙂

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