Ancestry.com DNA results

I know ancestry.com since around 2010, when I joined (created account) for mostly genealogical searches. And at that time I had a paid subscription. But in 2014-2015 years I declined the subscription. Then I got my first results from FamilyTreeDna aka FTDNA I then uploaded raw DNA file to a few other companies, and I described my ethnicity results in dedicated article in 2016 – #atDNA 3 [ethnicity admixture]. Since then I didn’t order DNA kit from ancestry, because I knew it will require shipping from/to USA and they will not ship to neither Ukraine or Poland. Meanwhile, in 2020 I ordered Dante Labs WGS kind of test – but it’s only yDNA/mtDNA results. And in 2021 year, I was lucky to get atDNA results from Ancestry.com, which in general very common for Ukrainians – so not much of discoveries, but just one more test.

 

Previous results:  Aug-2021, Nov-2021, Apr-2022.

How I got DNA kit?

That was an example of benefit being interested in genealogy and genetics and at the same time residence in Poland 🙂 Somewhere before 30-Jun-2021 I saw information in Polish communities about genealogy and genetics, that Ancestry have some specific offer for polish genealogists. So at first I thought – what a scam 😀 But then I read information on web site http://polishgen.net/ancestry/ and I contacted with appropriate person via email. Afterwards I provided my family tree which I have on ancestry.com ( ancestry.co.uk, ancestry.de ) and it contains around 5000 people. The tree passed verification, and Ancestry sent me a DNA kit FOR FREE 🙂 YEAH 🙂 (which costs 99 EUR). My Facebook July post.

So it’s 4th transfer of my actual biological DNA material to laboratory, and now via Ancestry DNA test. Laboratory itself presumably is in Ireland.

One of greatest benefits here, that Ancestry database is mostly from people in USA, so if I’m lucky I may get autosomal DNA matches with some people from USA.

Note about DHL. A box with DNA kit also provide DHL return bag, which is very great and handy. DHL Express mobile application seems to be working in 2 modes: Receiver, which I already have, and Sender, which first need to create as account on https://mydhl.express.dhl/ (but not necessary – looks like there is ability to schedule pick-up of package with no account) and then connect with Mobile app account of “Receiver”. And both seems to have their “own life” but this accounts connection is weird for me. But as I understand “Sender” account is needed more for business, companies, serious packages, so they may not even need Receiver account. And vice versa. So I sent a DNA kit back to Ancestry via DHL Express which looks like can deliver from Krakow to Dublin (via Germany) in less than a day… And I sent paper agreement via Post (Poczta Polska). Now I need just wait… a few weeks, maybe months.

So at the end, I realized that it’s not possible to activate DNA kit online right now, but when arrived to laboratory and only then Ancestry personnel activated.

Aug-10-2021 system informed that DNA extracted and then I expected DNA results in Sep. But Aug-16-2021 surprisingly I got final results.

 

atDNA results

First of about DNA samples database. According to amount of samples here is breakdown of how many individuals are in each my 4 regions (Aug-2021: 70 regions with 44,703 samples, Dec-2021 … Aug-2022: 77 regions with 56,580 samples):

  • ‘Eastern Europe and Russia’ samples: 1,084 (Aug-2021), 1,454 (Dec-2021 … Aug-2022).
  • ‘The Balkans’ samples: 824 (Aug-2021) 1,325 (Dec-2021 … Aug-2022).
  • ‘Baltics’ samples: 195(Aug-2021) => 245 (Dec-2021 … Aug-2022).
  • ‘European Jewish’ samples: 448 (Aug-2021), 447 (Dec-2021 … Aug-2022)
  • England & Northwestern Europe‘ samples: 1,907 (Aug-2022)
  • ‘Germanic Europe’ samples: 3,261 (Aug-2022)
  • ‘Malta’ samples: 104 (Aug-2022)

Note. Strange, but data above has NOT been changed since Apr-2022 to Aug-2022, thou final data for my admixture changed. I expected that those value should be increasing month by month somehow.

 

Second of all, percentage data about ethnicity is frequently changing. So I keep updated this article with updates when they arrived to web site. It’s NOT bad thing I would say, I treat it as improvement, clarifying, fixing mistakes in algorithms, etc.

Admixture results are not new for me – no significant discoveries. In fact very similar to FTDNA or MyHeritage.

  • Eastern Europe & Russia 72% Aug-2021 75% Nov-2021 87% Apr-2022 89% Aug-2022
  • The Balkans 20% Aug-2021 15% Nov-2021  2% Apr-2022
  • Baltics 6% Aug-2021 8% Nov-2021 5% Apr-2022 4% Aug-2022
  • Jewish people of Europe 2% Aug-2021 3% Apr-2022 2% Aug-2022
  • England & Northwestern Europe 2% (Apr-2022) – disappeared since Aug-2022
  • Germanic Europe 2% Aug -2022
  • Malta 1% (Aug-2022)

 

Dec-2021 UPDATE

 

Apr-2022 UPDATE

Aug-2022 UPDATE:

 

Ethnicity Inheritance

In 2022 a new feature appeared.

 

Map data

Now more details in geographical data.

Dec-2021:

 

Apr-2022:

Aug-2022 UPDATE:

 

Eastern Europe & Russia 72% 75% 87% 89%

 

So according to Ancestry, I can treat my self as native Ukrainian, but with genetic background from North-West Poland to East Ukraine with even parts of borderlands with Russia.

Dec-2021:

 

This segment is defined by narrower segment Poland, Slovakia, Hungary & Romania which narrows one more level down as Eastern Hungary, Eastern Slovakia, Northwest Romania & Western Ukraine.

 

Apr-2022:

This Apr-2022 updates shifted average data for me towards West: more west of Ukraine, more Poland and Slovakia.

Other sections underneath:

  • “Ukrainians in Eastern Europe”
    • “Southern Poland & Northwest Ukraine”
    • “Ukraine & Northeast Romania”
  • Northeastern Hungary & Eastern Slovakia
    • Eastern Zemplín & Northwestern Transcarpathia”
    • “Northwest Transcarpathia
    • “Northwest Transcarpathia & Eastern Szabolcs

 

Aug-2022 UPDATE:

 

 

 

 

According AncestryDNA, I “probably have family who lived in this area for years”. So:

  • Western Ukraine yes indeed – this is area where I born (village Molodkiv, near Nadvirna, not far from Ivano-Frankivsk), grow, and my ancestry since 1750 years is from that region.
  • Northwest Romania – that is location where I never had any relatives, but I have suspicion that Hutsuls might have been migrated from the mountains in Romania region.
  • Eastern Hungary – another region where I do not have any official relatives. But Magyars were very close to Hutsuls, because all people around Carpathian mountains this or that way related.
  • Eastern Slovakia – another closest region, where I also do not have any official ancestry. But maybe somehow they were before 1750 years.

Great, that dedicated segment does have information about people (AncestryDNA members) who are DNA matches with and are from this segment. So I do really hope to find more DNA matches in nearest future.

In regards to Hungary and Slovakia, I think there might be related influence of recent discoveries in Hungary. After my visit to Budapest, Miskolc and Karos I described more details in articles – My genetics and Hungarians, Huns, Avars and My yDNA cousins from Karos (HU).

 

 

But I also think it can be false positive because of many Americans have ancestry from Lemkos group (Ukraine, Poland, Slovakia) and then AncestryDNA maps us based on the close location. NOT sure.

 

Interesting, that very small Slovenia region is also designated as under the segment “Eastern Europe & Russia” and looks like in very low percentage comparing other segments. Strange, that it’s not part of Balkans…

So it sounds like, that some percentage of Slovenian but closer to Kievan Rus I guess… Migrants from Eastern Europe to South Europe? White Croats background?

 

UPD. Nov-2021, Ancestry upgraded regions groups info, so for me region “Eastern Europe & Russia” split into much more groups now:

 

UPD. Nov-2021, and Slovenia disappeared for me at all.

 

 

The Balkans 20% 15% 2%

 

Since Aug-2021 to Apr-2022 percentage value dramatically decreased from 20% to 2%. But map areas are the same. Aug-2022 still 2%.

As my research results show me, Balkans might be very significantly defined by yDNA haplogroup I have – I2a. More details in my article. But it also interfere with White Croats and Greece influence from Kievan Rus. But need to research all theories very detailed.

Yes, Turks, Romans influence on the Balkans well known… Quote from ancestry.com:

The region has been a crossroads of cultures and trade since ancient times and home to Christians, Jews, and Muslims of disparate origins. A culture rooted in Greek ideas was supplanted by Roman influence before the region became a central site for early Christianity. Bulgars and Slavs arrived in the 6th century, and later came Islam and the Ottoman Turks, creating a mix of peoples and nations as varied as the landscape.

 

 

 

Baltics 6% 8% 5% 4%

 

Since Aug-2021 till Apr-2022 percentage value changed, but relatively on average is the same. In Nov-2021, besides increasing to 8% region north to Estonia decreased in area. Not sure, but looks like 2% increasing in Nov-2021 related to more granular ethnicity data between Latvia and Estonia.Since Aug-2022 it’s 4%.

Well known region from previous DNA tests. So far I assume, it’s designated by Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, but so far I have no any solid proofs. But as always i am surprised since 2014 that Balkans is more than Baltics.

 

European Jewish 2% 3% 2%

Not surprise in 2021, but it was surprise in 2014 🙂 But since then – no actual proofs of someone from Ashkenazi Jews relatives neither from Ukraine nor from Poland… Apr-2022 and value is 3%, which one more time proves, that this DNA segment fluctuates on average between 2 and 4 %. Since Aug-2022 it’s 2% again.

 

 

Next two regions appeared in Ancestry results after Apr-2022. Before that I did have such results ONLY for my mother but in MyHeritage system. It only proves, that it’s reasonable to rely on genetics data ONLY when you compare a few companies results, which with time become very similar among companies.

 

England & Northwestern Europe 2% (disappeared since Aug-2022)

 

 

 

Germanic Europe 2% (since Aug-2022)

I don’t know what to think. England related lands disappeared but instead German related appeared. I would say it’s much closer to me per location. But I can also say, that England related lands are somehow related to my mother (although we don’t have relations from there. We only have Stefurak and Mandziuk/Lundiak relatives who migrated to England in 19XX years. But in Germany NO relatives whatsoever.

 

Malta 1%

 

 

 

 

Map by years

1800 – Europe

Despite the fact that my ancestry from Western Ukraine around Ivano-Frankivsk, but genetically the map shows majority from area which is named Lemkivshchyna – land of Lemkos between Poland, Slovakia and Ukraine. This group is known for me, and the most complicated situation is relation with Boykos and Hutsuls.

1850 – Europe

 

1900 – Migration from Europe to USA

 

1900 – USA

 

1925 – Europe

 

1925 – USA

Comparing other services, not all have much detailed maps in regards to local regional areas. Looks like 23andme is the best in this direction.

 

 

Results summary

In general Ancestry atDNA results are almost the same comparing FTDNA or MyHeritage. Good or not, but Ireland is not listed for me. 🙂

 

DNA matches

Not much to say – no significant discoveries. 6,538 DNA matches in total (Apr-2022). Top 5 items are in the range 40-60 cM.

Hope, new matches will appear in the future.

In fact all DNA matches ONLY from USA:

Looking to cross-profiles info, we can see the comparison of ethnicity admixtures.

Here is example of my DNA match.

 

Notes

  • Interesting, that a few Popovich people are in the list of my DNA matches, and this surname is well known for my and village where i born (Molodkiv, Ukraine).
  • Ancestry says:

“In order to find DNA matches that are due to recent ancestors, we need a filtering step. At AncestryDNA, we use an algorithm developed by the science team called Timber“.

I am not yet sure, but looks like no X chromosome DNA matches results or any hints. And for sure no yDNA and mtDNA results.

It looks like that the need of Chromosome browser is well known issue withing AncestryDNA members. Quote from ancestry blog:

“The total number of shared centimorgans represents the amount of DNA (across 22 pairs of autosomal chromosomes) that you and your DNA match likely have in common because you both inherited it from a recent common ancestor.”.

Another quote in regards how frequent matches list can be changed:

“New match results have been provided for everyone. Whether you tested with AncestryDNA last week or 2 years ago, your results have been recalculated based on these advancements. Because of this, you may see some DNA matches that were previously predicted to be more closely related to you at a higher confidence, drop down on your list, or no longer appear. Also, you’ll have new DNA matches that you haven’t seen before.”.

 

https://www.ancestry.com/cs/dna-help/communities/communities-identified

“When we discover communities, we use information from family trees AncestryDNA members have linked to their test results to learn about the historical forces that may have brought their ancestors together”
“We also use birth dates and places to identify common migration routes by looking at the differences between the birth locations of parents and children.”

 

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