atDNA #3 [ethnicity admixture]

It’s short summary article about my autosomal DNA research results, based on 22 chromosomes and X chromosome of me, my mother and my father. Article created in 2016 and keeps updating till now with news, updates, additions.

Shortcuts to content:

• FTDNA
• MyHeritage
• MyTrueAncestry
• LivingDNA
• Gencove
• GEDMATCH
• DNA.land (N/A anymore)
• GenomeLink
• XCode Life
• HomeDNA
• GenvueGenetic
• Geneanet
• Genotek
• Vahaduo
• Ethnicty Outcomes

My family ancestry is mostly from West part of Ukraine – I born in village Molodkiv, which is from region called Galicia (Galychyna/Halychyna) in particular near Pokuttya aka Pokucie and Carpathian mountains where mostly Hutsuls live (but also Lemkos and Boikos). I trace my genealogy approximately till ~1730 years, and no “official” relations with other countries whatsoever. But based on genealogy an genetics results since 2014 year, I know realize, that my ancestry might have been related to Poland, Belarus or even Lithuania and Austria, but no official facts/documents (yet).

FamilyTreeDna aka FTDNA

So, when I received my atDNA results of FamilyFinder test first time, I was very surprised, that I have Ashkenazi DNA. Officially, my family (and whole village I would say) don’t have any, and did not have any relations with Jewish people since at least 1900 years. But there were rumors, about potential relationships, so I tend to agree, that Jewish people left their offspring in my village. More than that – I do research right now the history of Galicia (Ukrainian and Polish parts) and I realize many things, I hadn’t know before.  So I wrote small article “atDNA #1 [86-8-6]” with analysis of my results.

Then I received my mother atDNA results of FamilyFinder test. I was more then surprised because, I expected to have Ashkenazi injection from paternal line.

Then I decided to perform father’s DNA testing to be sure, from which line I received Ashkenazi and Asia Minor and how much. Results were “3rd-level surprising” – father has no Ashkenazi at all.

Some people during my communication via email or public comments provide information, that FTDNA data might be not correct in all cases. Especially with Jewish DNA. But at least one person, who has recently come up as my and my father match, and who is almost 100% Jew (he officially admits that his parents are on both sides Jews) has been defined by FTDNA as a person who doesn’t have Ashkenazi DNA. It might be related with other Jewish tribe but also might be the issue in FTDNA system. So I keep watching them all 🙂

There were a few snapshots from previous version, because FTDNA changed algorithm a few times. Before diving into details, here are snapshots to my previous images, I composed to represent results:

 

CLICK to show/hide section with details from 2015/2016 years

2015/2016 snapshot (me, father, mother – ethnicity makeup).

• The most European in my family is father (91%), then me (86%) followed by mother (84%).
  East European. My father looks more Eastern than me and my mother, which might be the sign, that father’s ancestry somewhere from Poland or close to.
  South European is about my Balkans genetics. Strange and surprisingly, but my mother has more South European genes, which might be sign that her ancestry has more ethnicity admixture from that part of Europe.
• My mother atDNA says 10% of Ashkenazi ancestry, which means that her ancestry had relations with Ashkenazi Jews. And based on pure Math, it should have been one of her 64 3x-great grand parents (no idea paternal or maternal). I’m in progress of clarifying this on genealogy/etymology and genetics levels of my research. I received smaller amount (8%), and that is why I should have had her DNA results (to get more clarified details on FTDNA matches page).
• In regards to Asia Minor, this kinda guess, but mostly I connect this with history of Ukrainian relations with Tatars and Ottoman Turkish people. Because in my genealogy, we have a few people with dark hair and brown eyes, who might be descendants of mixed marriages. Especially my paternal grandmother with her father surname Jurczylo, came from the ancestry in village Pniow, which was very populated by Tatars in 1600-1650 years. But I am not sure yet about this all.
  Recently, I have nice discussion with my “5th Cousin from Turkey” and she mentioned such ethnicity as Gagauz people, who speaks Turkish; mostly follow Christianity but also Islam; belong genetically to the Balkan population; located mostly in Moldova and belong to Y-DNA haplogroups I2a (23.6%), which is the same haplogroup as I have.

My family (ancestry) geographical map by FTDNA myOrigins (Oct-2016):

 

CLICK to show/hide section with details from Apr-2017 year

2016/2017 snapshot (me, father, mother – ethnicity makeup). Plus “All ethnicities comparison” (Apr-2017).

• Mother’s atDNA
  • Surprising, that Ashkenazi 10% + Middle Eastern 5% now disappeared. And mother become now 100% European. Dunno what to say good or bad, but before 2014 I thought my mother really European, then in 2014/2016 I believed in Ashkenazi ancestry, because history tracing have some doubts and suspicions, and now all changed. Anyway, I know FTDNA Matches list, and lot of people in mother’s list are from Jewish ancestry/DNA. So by some degree, I believe mother’s genetics somehow but related to Eastern European Ashkenazi ancestry.
  • Not sure, which part os Ashkenazi/Middle Easter “transformed” into European, but I see, that Eastern Europe slightly decreased to 57% and Southeast Europe significantly increased to 43%. So I may only guess, that Ashkenazi/Middle Eastern might have been related/transformed/ported to Southeast Europe on Balkans. Potentially it’s related to Moldova/Bulgaria ancestry.
• Father’s atDNA
  • Middle Eastern 9% I may say, that now kinda disappeared. In fact, it’s divided now into other smaller trace results: Southeast Asia < 2%, Siberia <2%, West Middle East <2%. Even such small, but anyway most unexpected is Southeast Asia, because in father’s heritage none was from any at least a bit related regions.
  • Siberia is interesting, because recently I found NON-verified Internet record about Lundziak Georgius from North Russia, which could have been related to Altai ancestry, and later to Siberia. NON-YET-VERIFIED/PROVED. Also, in combination with Middle East, this might be the sign of old Tatars ancestry, not sure if this might be true, but need to research.
    • What is really new for me from FTDNA service, it’s Trace Results. It’s only for my father, and it looks like this:
  • Eastern Europe also decreased to 74%, and Southeast Europe increased to 24%.
• My atDNA
  • Common among me, my mother and father is the fact of European ancestry slightly increased. For me now it’s 94%.
  • And considering, that Ashkenazi passed to me from mother, I also have decreased level of DNA from 8% to 2%.  No I am more European person, less Ashkenazi, and less Middle Eastern.
  • But what is really interesting, that now I can see and believe in my previous suspicions, that even FTDNA doesn’t show Ashkenazi DNA in my father’s genetics, I still have some mixed DNA from both father and mother. Because how to explain, that FTDNA doesn’t see Ashkenazi in mother’s DNA, but I have 2%. Still, this should be more researched.

Since Apr-2017, maps are different for me and my parents.

• The same relation between all of us still remain – we are East/Southeast European,
• Father’s map now reflects new segments from Siberia (Russia/Yakutsk), Southeast Asia (Laos, Thailand) and West Middle East (Israel/Syria). But it’s < 2%, so relation was very old and with no information from genealogy AT ALL !!!
• My map reflects Ashkenazi ancestry with centrum in Poland and Middle Eastern ancestry from Turkey. Interesting, that neither mother nor father ancestry don’t intersect with Turkey.

FTDNA Update Apr-2017 Outcomes:

• I would say, it’s good, that company does something in regards to updating.
• But as far as I researched many replies from people, they re mostly surprised about new results. Especially people from Sephardic Jews discovering they have Ashkenazi ancestry and vice versa.
• For me is surprise, how I can have Ashkenazi and my mother/father no. Currently I explain, that both parents have Ashkenazi, but the threshold is small for them, but when DNA combined in my DNA, I accumulated Ashkenazi DNA from both.
• Also surprise for me, that very small part of father DNA which most probably point to East Russia ancestry. No clue at all, but now I will be working on history/genealogy research in this direction.

Dec-2-2017, I spotted on the fact, that another 1% of Undetermined segment appeared on myOrigin for me:

 

CLICK to show/hide section with details from Mar-2020 year

 So far I don’t have much details about South-West Europe and Turkey areas, nevertheless on FDTNA Matches page me and my parents we have many people from USA (mainly migrants from Poland or Ukraine, including Jewish people), Poland, Germany, Italy, Bulgaria, Croatia, Hungary, Moldova and yes even Turkey. Sure thing, we have matches with Ukrainian people, but they mostly from West Ukraine or East Poland or East Belarus, and even South-East Lithuania small number of people are from Russia or even South-East of Ukraine.

No idea, but at least I guess, that FTDNA continue changing their algorithm, and hope year by year quality and precision is increasing. From FTDNA web FAQ page:

An Undetermined Region result means that you have a small section of autosomal DNA that we cannot, with confidence, match to any of our reference populations.

European: East 77%, Southeast 17%; Asia Minor 3%; Ashkenazi 2%. Same, but area borders on map changed.

And added markers of Matches on map.

Sep-2020 UPDATE. myOrigins Version 3.0 released.

My father’s percentage/map:

My mother’s percentage/map:

most interesting 🙂

So…

Shortly describing main 3 segments:

• West Slavic 63% <= father (I’m more “Polish” because of father).
• East Slavic 16% <= mother (I’m more “Ukrainian” because of mother).
• Magyar 9% <= father (I’m more “Hungarian” because of father).

I treat West Slavic as representation of belonging to West Slavs tribes, which were among modern Polish, Belorussian and Ukrainian people – geographically West Slavic tribes were settled on those countries lands. The map shows center in Poland, but it doesn’t mean that I am Polish, it means, that most probably main tribe was Polans (western branch located on lands of Poland and eastern on lands of Ukraine at the time of Kievan Rus). By comparing father’s results, I could assume, that father’s ancestry was mostly from western Polans, and maybe it somehow correlates our yDNA haplogroup I2a, which brings us closer to Wends (in particular Vistula Veneti). And if consider one of forms of my surname – LUNDZIAK, then it’s very probable, that male tribe was Lędzianie. This all perfectly fits under umbrella of “West Slavic”.

I treat East Slavic, as a sign of Ruthenian, proto-Ukrainian tribe who mainly belonged to Ruś (Kievian Rus). As people say, why do I need genetic test, if it’s obvious, that I am Ukrainian, and my ancestors were Ruthenians from Rus. My answer is always: Yes and No. As ethnicity admixture shows, it’s not always as simple as it should be. My mother does have more East Slavic, and passed to me significant part, which gives me impression, that her ancestry was more from Kievan Rus than my father’s. Both they share that tribe (btw, they also do have small xDNA shared segments), but I received proportions, and I see now correlation in regards to me. Also, I have to say, that mother mtDNA haplogroup is H13a1d, which is from Finland mostly, and that would explain and extend the fact of relations between Ruthenians and Varangians/Vikings.

• If my yDNA haplogroup would be N that would be sign, that my father and mother Scandinavians/Varangians/Vikings. And if yDNA would be R1a, that would be sign of 100% East Slavic. BUT IT IS NOT. I’m yDNA I2a, which correlates with father’s pro-West-Slavic proportion and belonging to Dinarics. But now it’s less South Europe-ish for me.

Magyar is a new area/segment on FTDNA, but I am not surprised, because I expected some genetics from Hungary. It might have be related to Hutsuls or Austro-Hungarian empire and people migration. Not yet proven. But fathers does have more. And it again correlates with yDNA results – I2a members are preliminary from East-Central Europe – Dinarics, and Hungary is in kinda center for all those tribes.

• Preliminary, I consider it’s related to my male ancestry, who might have been from Austro-Hungarian empire somehow (surname LUNDA), that would explain Magyar. But what distracts me, that both, father and mother do have it, and also they have East Slavic admixture. That is very complicated to be sure here what was the first.

Only mother got Baltic 17%. And I think, because only mother has Baltic genes from Lithuania, I consider Jews were from Lithuania, because if from Poland, my father would also have it. It means, that Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth ancestors were from mother’s side.

FTDNA QUOTEs:

• “Ancient Baltic peoples spread throughout Eastern Europe after 2000 BCE. At their height, their territory spanned from the Dnieper River in the west to the northern reaches of the Volga, Oka, and Moscow rivers in the east.”. BALTY vs. DNIPRO ??? What? It somehow reflects of fatherland of East Slavic near Novgorod/Ladoga.
• “Around the 6th century BCE, Fino-Ugric speakers from modern-day central Russia moved into northern Eastern Europe.” ONLY THIS Baltic can explain, why mother does have mtDNA H13a1d and mtDNA matches mostly from Finland, Bulgaria.
• “By the 6th century CE, there was a Slavic expansion throughout Eastern Europe that reduced the territory of the Baltic peoples”. AGAIN, SLAVIC expansion PUSHED people away.
• “The encroaching Slavic expansion resulted in an assimilation of eastern Baltic peoples while western Baltic peoples held their lands and eventually formed the Latvian and Lithuanian states.”
  Means, that if we combine “East Slavic) (Kievan Rus) an east ancient Baltic tribes => THEN It’s same ethnic and explains why mother does have more East Slavic and Baltic results at all.
• “The Lithuanian Empire was one of the largest states in Europe by the 13th century. By the end of the 14th century, it grew even larger by uniting through marriage with their Polish allies, officially adopting Christianity, and forming the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, which lasted for over 200 years.”

Meaning, that ancient west Baltic => Lithuanian => Polish mix => West/East Slavic mix => Ashkenazi (polish/lithuanian mix).

Note: So White Croats were in Carpathian Basin, preliminary moved from South Europe, but then Slavic expansion pushe White Croats away???

Greece & Balkans 23% father, 21% mother, => me 0% => ???
VERY STRANGE. I assumably might have had ~22%, less than father’s but more than mother’s. Same pattern as with other segments. But I know genetics is not 2+2=4, it’s much more complicated.

1. Does it means parents belong to older populations from Cyrillic speaking Byzantine Empire who migrated to Kievan Rus?
2. Does it mean, that our Ruthenian ancestor, while wars together with Vikings/Varangians in Byzantium got some Greek women/wifes, and then brought children back to home?
3. Is it influence of Russo-Turkish war and later influence on Balkans countries like Romania, Serbia, Bulgary?

I DO NOT KNOW, but I’m keen to dive more in history and genetics to get at least closer to truth.

But, I got Italian Peninsula 9%, and I am not sure from whom. Because all previous FTDNA versions, were interchangeable in regards to Italy. But considering mother does have Malta & Sicily <2%, and

• From one side, we cam consider, that Pheonicians with Greeks migrated to Italy on Malta & Sicily, that would explain shifting genetics ancestry from my parents from Greece towards South Italy. It also somehow hints Ashkenazi, because Phoenicians were Semitic-speaking tribe.
• From the other side, Slavic people migrated from Central-East Europe to Italy, Greece, Hungary… so it might be those descendants from early Slavic ancestors with Vikings/Varangians.

In 2015/2016 I did have Ashkenazi Jews 8%, In 2016/2017 (verified Apr-2017) I did have 2%, and now I again have increase to 4%. I realize, that endogamy in my ancestors caused genetic noise. Anyhow it interfere with mother results: In 2015/2016 it was 10%, in 2017 5%, and now 5% still. So average between 4% and 5% is rather OK, and now it has more sense. Father did not have Ashkenazi Jews in results at all, never.

• So I am 100% sure, that it comes from mother’s line, and probably from people with surname Czyżowski (but it’s not proven).

My mother atDNA results shows new segments:

• Basque 4% – small area (border between Spain and France) and
• Great Britain 5%, covering whole United Kingdom.

But I have no idea how it can be traced, if mother ancestry since ~1750 years AD is considered Ukrainian (a bit of former Poland and Austrian Empire). Previous versions did not show any far West Europe for my mother, but she was and she is (among me and father) the most South Europe-ish.

• Preliminary I connect these results with Gauls (who might have migrated to North-East Italy and Celts (who might have migrated to England/Ireland). If consider Basque as closest to Celts and Galls from France, then it reflects with why I have Italian Peninsula – as composed SIGN of (Greece – far east, and Basque far West).
• BTW, many Polish people do have Ireland in new myOrigins v3.0 (2-10%), and they somehow explain it by very far but relations with Ireland noble people. And that got me thinking, how to explain Great Britain here for my mother. That is surprise of 2020.

FTDNA QUOTEs:

• “The construction of large stone monuments, such as those found at Stonehenge, began by 3000 BCE. It is speculated that Celtic languages arrived in Britain with the influx of the Bell Beaker culture from Central Europe, which was defined by bell-shaped vessels.”
• “In the 1st century CE, the Romans invaded and established settlements across what is now modern-day England and Wales.”
• “In the 8th and 9th centuries, Vikings from Scandinavia raided parts of the British coast and established colonies throughout modern-day Scotland and England.”
• “In 843 CE, Kenneth MacAlpin united the Picts and Scots to form the nation of Alba, which is the Gaelic name for Scotland, although many Scottish islands remained under Scandinavian control until the 1400s.”
• “The British Empire continued their conquest and expanded their rule and culture around the globe, colonizing large regions of North and South America, Africa, Asia, and Oceania.” => colony???

So, maybe meaning is, that Latin tribe => Romans (Malta/Sicily) => Italy, England or Celts/Galls/Bascue => England, Latins, Romes => Italy/Sicily/Malta => Greece? Lot of questions…

Note: Upload to MyTrueAncestry Oct-2020 showed me, that ONLY my mother does have Gauls genetics, at very first level, and it refers also to Great Britain migration.

People say, that “Malta & Sicily” is kinda suspiciously false positive. For example my mother’s ancestry has it as < 2%, and as far as I know ancestry was at least since ~1750 ONLY Ukrainian (formerly Poland and Austrian empire, but still no migration neither to/from Italy or Malta/Sicily).

• But it might reflect some history among Kievan Rus, Vikings/Varangians, Byzantium empire, Greeks and Malta Sicily trades. Anyway, will be doing research more.

So, as OUTCOME, I see one new COMMON THING – “mountains“:

• Spain/France in particular Basques => mountains.
• And I assume those Great Britain / Ireland Gaels, somehow should be also be pro-mountain.
• Galls/Gauls people in North Italy / Austria => mountains.
• Polish people, who lived in mountains – GÓRALI.
• Ukrainian (maybe proto-Ruthenian) people who lived in Carpathians => H(G)utsuls.

I think I will write up a dedicated article 🙂

Other questions I have after new myOrigins v3.0:

• Where would be Vikings shown for my East Slavic ancestry? Norse Scandinavian?
• Why no Romania/Moldova? if it’s so related to Magyars, and I suspected it should be.
• How would German person ethnicity makeup look? Examples?
• The direction from Greece to Malta/Sicily, to Italy, to Basque, to Great Britain reminds me, yDNA migration path of I2 haplogroup (how it splits into I2a and I2b – here, my first genetic yDNA article). And also it reminds SNP Tracker animation, in particular turn right from Gauls/Galli/Celts towards Mountains Alps, Carpathians. That turn should be related to Bell Beaker culture.
  So, if we have Italy, Malta and Basque, why no Sardinia, considering my yDNA genetics is I-P37, mainly “born” on Sardinia island?

MyHeritage.COM

2016/2017: Being located in Poland I couldn’t upload DNA materials (gzipped CSV file) to MyHeritage.COM, but with help of TorBrowser, I did it. Then in 2018, MyHeritage said:

Starting December 16, 2018, users can upload their raw DNA data from other testing services for free, and they will still receive all DNA Matches for free, but unlocking extra features for uploaded DNA data will cost an extra fee.

Below are my results for Ethnicity Estimate.

 

CLICK to show/hide section with details from 2016/2017 years

2017 UI: 2019 UI:

Slight changes for mother and father. No changes for me.

Ethnicities per person 2017 version.

Map (2017 version):

 

CLICK to show/hide section with details from 2019 year

Ethnicities (2019 year):

 

UPD (Jan-2019):

For me no changes.

For mother: East European 61.2% => 62.5%, Balkan 30% => 29%, Ashkenazi 2.7% => 2.8%.

For father: East European 52.6% => 51%, Balkan 32.8% => 32.7%, Baltic 12.3% => 13.7%, South Europe 2.3% => 2.6%.

 

UPD. Dec-2020. MyHeritage got updated ethnicity map details – I assume algorithm changed in same way to be more granular as FTDNA did.

Andrii Lundiak:

Note: on Low level a sub group under Eastern Europe shown but it is located in USA with a name “Northeastern and Midwestern USA”.

Kateryna Babij (mother):

Mykhailo Lundiak (father):

 

For me: East European 74.2%, Balkan 17%, Iberian 4.7%, Ashkenazi 1.2%, Middle Eastern 1.2%, Italian 0.9%, Melanesian 0.8%.

For mother: East European 62.5%, Balkan 29%, Iberian 5.7%, Ashkenazi 2.8%.

For father: East European 51%, Balkan 32.7%, Baltic 13.7%, Italian 2.6%.

 

Analysis (almost the same if to compare 2019 and 2020):

• East Europe 74.2% for me and 62,5% for my mother, and 51% for my father – nearly the same result.
• Balkan 32.7% for father, 29% for mother and 17% for me. Second ethnic group, but spread is opposite.
• Baltic 13.7% for father only. It gives more thoughts, that ancestry of my father is closer to North/East/Baltic geography and my mother’s ancestry to South/East Europe. But in details, father looks balanced between Balkan, Eastern Europe and Baltic, which defines his ancestry as vertical (from Croatia via West Ukraine to Lithuania) and mother with me are more into Eastern European direction (with less Balkan percentage but more Eastern genetics).
• Italian 2.6% for my father (and 0.9% for me). Strange because according 2019 algorithm, mother was “more South Europe” and now it’s me and father.
• Instead mother does have Iberian 5.7% and I have 4.7%. Not sure how, but either it’s related to common spread of Sephardic Jews from Spain and Ashkenazi Jews from Germany or Hispanians migrations.
• Ashkenazi Jewish 2.8% ancestry for my mother, and as expected I have less amount of Ashkenazi DNA – 1.2%. This somehow correlates with old FTDNA algorithm and DNA.land results for me and mother. Father’s DNA materials are treated by MyHeritage as non-Ashkenazi, which is almost the same same as by FTDNA (old and new algorithm) and DNA.land.
• Considering the fact of having Iberian and Ashkenazi from mother, I assume it’s about Ashkenazi Jews and Sephardic Jews, but still surprise how genealogically it came to me. If so, that it would explain, why old algorithm by FTDNA showed Ashkenazi Jewish diaspora for father, because FTDNA could distinguish at that time (2014-2016). In FTDNA before Apr 2017 we all had Middle Eastern segments in DNA.
• Middle East 1.2% for me but zero for mother and father. It’s still strange (2014-2020).
• Very small, but still Oceania / Melanesian 0.8% shows only for me, but I guess it’s from father, because FTDNA new algorithm shows < 2% of SoutherEast Asia which correlates with Melanesian region. But I have NO IDEA, how this genetic could traced to me. Since ~1750 years, I have no official Asian or moreover far South Asian people. I assume it’s a genetic noise, but still appears on map during a few years… So someone in my ancestry was from there. No idea who could it been. Maybe that someone was from Indonesia or Papua New Guinea or most probably well known people with surname Solomon in my ancestry/genes, which might have been from Solomon islands. 🙂 As alternative or extended version is about Hispanians to Philipines and Oceania. I have no solid data. Who knows… research is in very progress… MyHeritage doesn’t show any DNA matches from Melanesia region, still a mystery…
• Strange, that some groups are spreading among father+mother=>son from greater to lower amount, and some opposite, and some not clear how…

Good, that new 2020 algorithm provides a spread between High and Low level of confidence, so now it can be compared.

Also new classification by years. Example spread for Eastern Ukraine (same map for me, mother and father):

 

• 1600-1650 years. Looks like my ancestors weren’t near to Ivano-Frankivsk at all 🙂 In other words – map shows, that my genes from that age are not common with people who lived near Ivano-Frankivsk in 1600-1650 years, but rather closer to German genes. It proves my theory, that my ancestors came to Ukraine somewhere during or after Austro-Hungarian ruling… In particular, it might have been Lunda/Lundiak’s ancestor, because mother’s Babii people are very common for Ukraine.
• 1750-1800 It’s a time of Maria Teresa and then Joseph II ruling.
• 1800-1850 It’s a time of Franz II ruling (1792-1806, 1804-1835)
• 1850-1900. Mix ruling times.
• 1950-2000. USSR and Ukraine times.

How it’s build? Does this map reflect real DNA matches?

– No idea. I assume yes.

Is such years-classification only for me? NO.

– I compare result for my father and mother and dataset is the same, meaning it represents Western of Ukraine, assumably based on statistical data in MyHeritage database.

How this spread by years work?

– No idea. But I assume by age of genome taken from people. Meaning, that some segments of genome is older and some younger, and comparing other people from this region decision is being made.

 

MyHeritage map also does have ability to reflect Family events, based on locations from family tree:

But it’s not related on years range settings, or I doubt it’s used for building the map of Western Ukraine, because my locations (Molodkiv, Babche) are not shown on map for other people. So algorithm of dataset for the map is still a guess.

 

 

UPDATE Feb-2021. I made a first video about MyHeritage results in Ukrainian language. And then I realized, that maybe my FTDNA raw file uploaded to MyHeritage is kinda different now. So I created a test account, and re-uploaded fresh file. And results different now (second UA video review):

• East Europe increased to 77.1% (was 74.2).
• Balkans increased to 19.7% (was 17).
• Italy increased to 1.0% (was 0.9).
• Ashkenazi Jewish increased to 2.2% (was 1.2).
• Iberian disappeared at all (was 4.7).
• Middle East disappeared at all (was 1.2%).
• Oceania disappeared at all (was 0.8%).

 

UPDATE Aug-2021. I got raw file from Ancestry.COM (for me Andrii Lundiak only), and I re-uploaded to MyHeritage. So results almost the same:

 

⁠

• East European 78.9% (was 77.1%)
• Balkan 16.0% (was 19.7%)
• Ashkenazi Jewish 2.1% (was 2.2%)
• Iberia has not reappeared.
• Additional sub group appeared: England and Ireland (in addition to existed sub group Romania).
• On Low level a sub group under Eastern Europe which has been located in USA with a name “Northeastern and Midwestern USA” now NOT EVEN shwon – disappeared.

So looks like “Ancestry.COM+MyHeritage” results are even more Europe-ish than “FDTNA+MyHeritage”.

More details about Ancestry.COM results here.

 

gencove.com

In Sep-2017 I did upload FTDNA raw data of me, my father and mother to this new service. And here are results –

CLICK to show/hide section

NorthEast Europe is 67% based on my DNA data, and again, this is one more time proof, that it came to me from both parents in quite the same level – father 74%, mother 63%. The most probably it is about Ukrainian, as proto-Slavic, most probably Venedi tribe roots.

SouthWestern Europe ancestry represented by 20% on my data, and I treat this as composed DNA amount from my mother (16%) and father (14%). And most probably this is is about ancient Ruthenian tribes, derived from White Croatians. Need to research more detailed.

I also have new section Northern and Central Europe with 5%, but neither my father nor my mother have it. I guess, it’s either the way how Gencove analyzes Northern genetics, or my parents have very small amount of it, but composing in my genetics, it gives valuable 5%.

On the other hand, my father and mother they both have 12% of East Mediterranean with location in Greece.

As it’s expected, I have less Ashkenazi DNA (8%) than my mother (9%). And my father doesn’t have it at all. Which is one more proof, that Ashkenazi ancestry was on my mother’s atDNA line, and they were from Poland. Considering, that it was ~1750-1850 years, nowadays village in Ukraine was in scope of former Poland, meaning, that actual Ashkenazi person/people could have lived in my village or somewhere else. No idea…

Jan-15-2018 UPD

Andrii Lundiak

• NorthEast Europe 60%
• Northern Italy 16%
• East Mediterranean 8%
• Ashkenazi Jews 7%
• Northern British Isles 5%
• SouthWestern Europe 4%
  

Kateryna Babij

• NorthEast Europe 64%
• East Mediterranean 14%
• Northern Italy 12%
• SouthWestern Europe 6%
• Ashkenazi Jews 4%

Mykhailo Lundiak

• NorthEast Europe 64%
• Northern Italy 18%
• Northern and Central Europe 8%
• East Mediterranean 7%
• SouthWestern Europe 3%

2018-Jan Gencove Algorithm update diff. Analysis

• NorthEast Europe now, is clearly shown as balanced – my both parents on the same level, and as expected I derived smaller amount of DNA from that region. Changed from 67/63/74% to 60/64/64% respectively.
• East Mediterranean increased from 0/12/14% to 8/14/17% respectively.
• new Northern Italy as 16/12/18% respectively. But I guess, it’s due to SouthWestern Europe decrease.
• SouthWestern Europe values has been significantly decreased for all of us (from 20/16/14% to 3/6/4% respectively), meaning that we become now less Balkans people. And it’s expected, because despite the fact we may be related to Croatian tribe, but we are far away and evolved by our own as tribe.
• Northern Central Europe, shifted between me and father. Changed from 5/0/0% to 0/0/8% respectively.
• Ashkenazi amount decreased for me and mother from 8/9% to 7/4% respectively. Some companies/services show that I have bigger number and some that mother have. Considering latest change in Ashkenazi/Sephardic/endogamy-like research, this value is constantly decreased for people who are less Jewish as original Mizrahi Jews. But for sure, almost all services gives my father either very small number or zero amount of Ashkenazi.
• new Northern British Isles 5% for me only.
  

In general, 2018-Jan update showed balanced NorthEast Europe, swap/shifted East Mediterranean and SouthWestern Europe reminds me recent FTDNA changes in algorithm regarding Ashkenazi vs. Sephardic Jews. Slight decreasing with Ashkenazi, swapped Northern Central Europe, and new areas Northern Italy and Northern British Isles

UPD Jun-2020. As article from 2018 says:

“If you are an existing user, you will still be able to access their account and download all your results and raw DNA data for one year, until June 15th, 2019. After the one year period, we will close all accounts and delete your data permanently.”

And so it is. I have no existing data anymore.

 

MyTrueAncestry

In Apr-2019, I downloaded FTDNA raw data of atDNA and uploaded to MyTrueAncestry. I am not sure how true this new service is, I have some doubts.

Closest Ancient populations (Oct-2020, after fresh re-upload) (Jun-2020 snapshot here):

 

Values are sorted from smallest index to biggest, meaning I’m the closest to mix of “Scythians and Early Slavs” and the farthest I am from Ostrogoth DNA.

Closest Modern populations (Jan-2021, same as for Oct-2020):

According info about numbers, I’m the closest to modern Croatian population, even closer than Slovenian or Moldavian or Ukrainian. But I am closer to Ukrainian rather than to more Austrian.

Note: Considering Austrian empire and Galicia and the potential LUNDA male came from Austria to Galicia, it’s not a big surprise for me… But it might rfer to Loschbur man. Details.

Ancestral Timeline (Jan-2021):

 

Almost the same as Oct-2020 snapshot (after fresh raw data re-upload). Jun-2020 snapshot here.

 

European ancestral timelapse map (Ancient Ancestry screenshot) (Oct-2020):

There is also PCA plot (Oct-2020, after fresh reupload):

yDNA Haplogroup Summary Info (Oct-2020):

Mar-2020 snapshot here.

And here is “Deep Dive Results (New)” \ “ChromaAnalysis” view (Oct-2020, after fresh re-upload):

Comparing this view with results from Jun-2020, now, after re-upload, I see much more shared segments with other samples. And now its shows Sunghir6 and Gleb Svyatoslavich segments visually together (but it’s different amount of shared SNPs thou)…

And here is “Deep Dive Results (New)” \ “Spider Breakdown“:

Which is significantly different than version from Jun-2020.

CLICK this row to read detail about colors on spider chart.

From MyTrueAncestry help info:

• Green shows by Genetic Distance how close these samples are as matches to you. The larger the radius the closer the match.
• Blue shows the total length of the SNP chains (genetic markers) you share with the sample.
• Red shows the longest single SNP chain (genetic markers) with the sample.
• Yellow shows how your Total shared DNA segments (SNP Total) compares with other users who also share DNA segments with this sample.
• The outer edge shows the closest single ancient classification for the sample.
• The wheel is sorted by the total shared SNPs.

I also uploaded raw DNA files to MyTrueAncestry for my father and mother, and if to compare “Ancient Deep Dive Breakdown” chart results:

• Swedish Vikings. Father does have correlation to ~50%, and mother does have 6.6%, when I have almost zero 🙂 (0.47%). Strange. Maybe mistake, maybe on purpose, but instead I have Ostrogoths (derived from Goths) and Oeselians.
• Scythians. Majority that I have got to me from mother. father doe shave less.
• Kievan Rus also got to me from mother, and less from father.
• If to summarize, then my genetic “pie chart” is cloer to mother’s genetic.

MTA UPDATES

Sep-2019 UPD. “Scythian + Kievan Rus” section in closest ancient feature changed from 7.104 to 6.4, which means I’m now a small step closer to Kievan Rus 🙂 Timeline a bit changed. Kievan Rus 1130 AD is now hidden. Viking is either hidden or removed. Map of Europe changed – 2000 BC in Poland now is x2, and 1860 BC in Poland now is x3.

Mar-2020 UPD. New items appeared: Ostrogoth (18.47) and Viking (18.53), and shown as farther/largest number comparing other, which means, I have some relations but very far. I upgraded to “Caesar” and I can see more details on Timeline. New items for me: “Sala Silver Mine Sweden” 1610 AD, “Baltic Companion Golden Horde” and “Western Pomerania Unetice” 1860 BC. Now I can see, a DNA results of ancient “Sunghir” related to I2a yDNA haplogroup and Kievan Rus.

Oct-2020 UPD. First of all, there were recent Vikings research results, and I analyzed DNA results, but then realzied I should better re-upload raw DNA file, so to get latest, fresh results. I collected my thoughts in dedicated article. So, apearing Viking’s DNA results caused a slight change in general results.

LivingDNA.com

In 2017 it was something like beta-testing of this all site and transferring raw DNA data. So I uploaded my raw DNA data from FTDNA, got a number, and waited… Until Aug-2018, when it said about FamilyNetwork feature but still no results. Sep-2019, I wasn’t sure if it works at all, but I re-uploaded data. And in Jun-2020, I checked site and I got two profiles. Those profile results are similar, but good that I have at least something now to compare. Yeah… I know existed criticism of this service, but still – I see no harm to have it. Maximum shared segments for me is 46cM it’s nothing, it’s average value comparing FamilyTreeDNA.

In early 2020, I started using it a bit, I even contacted some of my DNA matches. Then recently I’ve realized I have two profiles. But it was duplication (like 2018 and 2019 versions). I sent request to support for deletion one profile, but they deleted whole account by accident :). Then after a few emails, they proposed me to sign up again and they will apply ancestry report for me now as free excuse/sorry for their tech deletion mistake. No DNA kit requested, simple upload. So here I am – “Refreshed by mistake”.

• 86.5% of Northeast Europe
• 13.5% of West Balkans.

Somehow it replicates same data results from FTDNA, and still main question how this to explain. Maybe it will end up in a way, that father line gave me that North East part more, and mother line gave me South East European, and that might be OK, but still not facts, earlier than 1750 year AD (Ukraine only).

 

Sep-2021 UPDATE. Planned upgrade.

– 83.6% of Northeast Europe (decreased)

– 7.2% East Balkans (new)

– 3% Pannonia (new)

– 2.6% Aegean (new)

– 1.8% South Italy (new)

– 1.7% West Balkans (decreased, split into other sections)

Surprises:

• Interesting, that LivingDNA designate South West Ukraine as a part of East Balkans, and this means my genetics goes in parallel with historical research of similarities of Hutsuls and Romanian people.
• I can also say, that majority of results this way or another, almost always give me some Lithuanian genetics percentage. And Living DNA designate map of East Europe belonging without Lithuania. From the other hand, almost whole Belarus is there, and it means relation to Litwins as baltic tribes who lived between Lithuania and Belarus (nowadays they are treated as proto-Belarusian people). So maybe it’s OK. I know, that I have atDNA and especially yDNA matches with Lithuanian people, so I assume, next stage of upgrades from LivingDNA in 2023 year will bring me Lithuania at least some % 🙂 Because my ancestors were somehow but descendants from Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth.
  • Sure thing, I am not got in the topic, but as Wikipedia informs, the anthropologist Michael Hesch concluded in his research that the inhabitants of Western Belorussia are Slavicized Lithuanians. Here is quote:
    

    “The western Belarusian area was inhabited by Lithuanians. The western Belarusians are certainly largely Russian-speaking Lithuanians.”

GEDMATCH.com

This is another free service for genetics research. I mainly use it for getting matches, but they also have a few interesting micro-services for ethnicity analysis.

So called “Admixture (heritage)” can be generated based on different projects. Projects have calculator(s) based on which generation is processed.

“Eurogenes“

A few variants of “proportions” based on different calculators.

First, I selected “Eurogenes K13” (which is default, and I expect it to be wide spread/used).

So,

• looks like, me (28.06%) and my mother (27.45%) are more North Atlantic than my father (25.01%).
• and father (38.32%) looks more Baltic than me (36.38%) and my mother (35.14%).
• I’m less West Mediterranean than my parents. (me – 13.57%, father – 14.59%, mother – 15.55%).

There is also interesting table, which defines ethnicity by comparing amount of common shared DNA in particular chromosome. I composed all 3 tables into huge one. and here is list of a few conclusions I see:

• North Atlantic is mostly defined by chromosome 14 for me and my father; by chromosome 1 for my mother.
• Baltic is mostly defined by chromosomes 9 and 21 for me and my father (in different values but still); by chromosomes 22 for my mother.

And only in 2018, I discovered/faced with Euoregene but calculator “JTest” (thanks to @Piotr Lewandowski). I don’t why, but I don’t remember this JTest when I initially looked to GEDMATCH.

So,

• South Baltic 25.34% for me, 24.79% for mother, 24.32% for father, which shows we all on the same level, and it shows, that approximately, I inherited the same level from both parents.
• East Euro 18.10% for me, 16.65% for mother, 20.22% for father. Which one more times shows, that mother more South Baltic than father, and less East European than father. But in regards to me, looks like I inherited more from South Baltic, meaning from mother ancestors.
• North-Central European 14.79% for me, 12.98% for mother, 17.28% for father, which one more items prove, that father is more North person than mother.
• Far from Ukraine, but still Atlantic is 15.57% for me, 15.36 for mother, 12.71% for father. Not sure, but might be sign of Spain/France and very deep/far endogamy from Sephardic. Hope FTDNA will clarify more in 2018.
• West Med, should have been bigger numbers for all of us than Atlantic, but not, West Med is 8.45% for me, 7.80% for mother, 9.98% for father. Again not sure,
• This JTest is now shows also Ashkenazi values. As in other systems, my mother has bigger value (5.51%), and it’s one more proof, that her ancestry has small but more locations with some Ashkenazi people. I then have 4.68% (which is among all values somewhere in the middle), and father has 3.43%, which is indeed lower than mothers, as it was also shown time ago on FTDNA. FTDNA, DNA.land, MyHeritage, Gencove they all changed their algorithm, and I see tendency of reducing value of Ashkenazi in my DNA. So I assume, this test looks outdated in regards to Ashkenazi/Sephardic/endogamy analysis

Note (theory/guess): I do research atDNA matches based on FTDNA and GEDMATCH, and chromosome 9 is very frequent in Ashkenazi Jews ancestry. So taking above Baltic conclusion, I may suspect, that those Ashkenazi ancestry (8% in me, 10% in my mother) came from Lithuania rather from Poland. But I’m in research progress, and I will publish results soon.

Other GEDMATCH admixture projects give almost the same results, but maybe with different percentages, names of areas, calculators, level of ancient DNA, etc:

• MDLP (MDLP K23b, World 22, World) works on race level and Hunter/Gatherer vs. Farmers level. Not sure how it’s correct, but that project gives me high level of Austronesian, which might be either a mistake or ancientDNA analysis only.
• Dodecade (Dodecad V3) also works on Hunter/Farmers level.
• HarappaWorld works better for Medditerranean.
• Ethihelix works better for people from Japanese/Palestinian/Africa/France areas.
• puntDNAL (calculators: ancient, modern, African) works with EarlyFarmers vs. HunterGatherer level.
• GedrosiaDNA as the name says is dedicated to Gedrosia area. But even for Eurasia region it shows EarlyFarmers vs. HunterGatherer percentage pie chart.

GEDMATCH has one more interesting service/tool – “Eurogenes K13 4-Ancestors Oracle-4“, which gives hints about ethnicity in closer years to current nationalities. It’s based on “Least Squares Method” and depends on approximation criteria we may have different results:

So,

• Our DNA defines our ancestry mainly as Croatians (despite the fact we all 3 born in Ukraine (West), and our ancestors since ~1730 years were also IN THE SAME PLACE – village Molodkiv (in region of Galicia near Pokuttya) ) .
  • I think it’s because of matches with Balkans DNA/ancestry.
  • And also I think it’s one more proof, that my ancestry might be related to White Croats.
• Moldavian is also common for all of us. Again, it should be related with Balkans ancestry, but also mixed with Romanian somehow. It’s again valid detail in regards to White Croats.
• Hungarian is one more ethnicity, which gives more questions rather answers.
• Ukrainians ancestry is on 4th step/grade/compare-level.
• If approximation is taken for 2 populations, then me an my mother we have Balkans (Serbian) common ancestry (and it’s the same results as on DNA.land) and father is composition from Moldavian/Ukrainian ancestry (and it explains why exactly he and myself, we have matches with Moldavian people.)
• BTW, this above analysis is all about ONLY 22 chromosomes (and maybe X chr.) but NOT y chr. or mt chr. Regarding Y-DNA research there is theory, that my male ancestry (I2a-Y4660) were Vistula Veneti, and Stanisław Plewako (one of administrators FTDNA Baltic Sea group) works on it.

Jun-2020 UPD. Quote from article on slate.com:

On Dec. 9, Verogen, a California-based forensic genomics company, acquired GEDmatch, a user-sourced DNA genealogy site. The acquisition suggests that GEDmatch’s transformation from a popular genealogy site to a crime-fighting tool is almost complete. The privacy implications will be enormous, even for those who have never considered taking a consumer genetic test.

 

 

 

DNA.land

Internet site IS NOT AVIALABLE ANYMORE – DO NOT click and DNA_land related links.

FTDNA gives raw data – compressed CSV file, which contains 22 chromosomes data concatenated with X chromosome data. And that format is widely used by 3rd party services. One of which is DNA.land. They have recently updated their donut chart to pie chart, and I remember their old approach – described/analyzed it in my article “atDNA #2 [dna-land]” published this year.

• Nov-2015 I did first upload of my raw data.
• Feb-2016 I uploaded raw data of my mother. I did a few screenshots of web page charts.
• Apr-2016 I prepared to publish an article, and spotted on new DNA.land update, and at that time, my mother’s pie chart looked this way. There was mention of “Italian” ancestry explicitly on chart. But later they changed it, and it became “South/Central European” which is reflected at the current moment for my mother’s old account on dna.land site.
• Oct-12-2016 uploaded my father’s data.
• Oct-23-2016 I re-uploaded my and mother raw data to DNA.land and receive different results. I spotted on a fact, that DNA.land old uploads have reports using old approach/algorithm. As soon as I discovered, I posted a question on their Facebook page and sent email to support
• Jun-2020 I realized my old accounts deleted and their servers migrated. So I registered again, and uploaded fresh raw atDNA data fro FTDNA.

I will provide text below referring to 2 versions of analysis:

1. Old one (Apr-2016) in green colored section.
2. New one (Oct-2016) in red colored section.

There are slightly different results, so to understand new approach, I want to highlight difference with previous approach.

DNA.land has “ethnicity admixture” called/named as “Ancestry Composition” and for “three of us” I composed into one image – OLD VERSION (based on Apr-2016 DNA.land logic):

So by old approach (Apr-2016),

• In general, we are all 100% West Eurasian descendants.
• According to DNA.land North European ancestry percentage for everyone of us composed by North Slavic ancestry. My father has more Slavs DNA (71%) and me with mother have less. It might be the sign, that his ancestry is more North Slavic than my mother ancestry. And it’s not his direct male line, because he and myself we are male descendants of south European I2a yDNA haplogroup.
•  Not sure if I am correct, but assuming my mother has 18% and my father has 19% as a result of “good” DNA mixing I have 24% of South European. It’s very interesting point, because before my parents DNA results came in, I thought only about paternal ancestry in regards to South Europe. Now I have more thoughts in research.
  • DNA.land is clear in definition of South European admixture for my father, and divide it into 16% Balkan and 3.7% of South/Central European. But for me and my mother there is percentage of Ambiguous segments (2.3%, 3.6% accordingly) and rest is South/Central European.
• Interesting thing about Southwestern European, DNA.land didn’t define any section in my DNA (assuming I have yDNA ancestry from Balkans so called Dinaric race) but they defined 3% of Southwestern European + 3% of Sardinian for my mother and solid 9.9% of Sardinian only for my father. It might be related with the fact, that my mother has more FTDNA matches with Italian people, even including mtDNA matches.
• In regards to Ashkenazi part, DNA.land found 3,7% in my atDNA and 11% in my mother’s but under the name “Ashkenazi/Levantine” atDNA dividing into 2 segments: Ashkenazi 8.2 % and Ambiguous 2.3%.
  • The same as FTDNA, DNA.land algorithm doesn’t see in DNA criteria to says about Ashkenazi for my father.
• On “Ancestry Map”, that Ambiguous is big for me because I have modern DNA, and for my father no Ambiguous at all. So for example, if “my DNA is not certain” about Albanian, Greek, and Bulgarian then my father’s DNA is oldest, and DNA.land can define, that his DNA is very similar as other people from Balkans. So “Ambiguous” it’s another way to say that “my DNA mutated and lost significant part” but my parent’s DNA still have that old pieces. Indeed DNA.land says almost the same about my 2.3% Ambiguous in Southern Europe:
  

  We found no specific Balkan ancestry, but we did find 2.3% ambiguous South European ancestry, which could be Balkan.

But by new algorithm (I spotted after new upload Oct-22-2016) there are changes:

For me:

• old Ambiguous 2.3% in South European became Balkan 3.8% and together with South/Central European 29% they define “South European” 33% with is more than by previous old logic.
• old Ambiguous 6.3% in West Eurasian segment became Northwest European 2%
• old Ashkenazi 5.7% became Ambiguous 1.6%, and DNA.land says:
  

  We found no specific Ashkenazi ancestry, nor Ashkenazi/Levantine ancestry, but we did find 1.6% ambiguous West Eurasian ancestry, which could be Ashkenazi.

• And I think it clarifies something, but also kinda “hide” my very low level/amount DNA matches.

 

For my mother:

• old value of North Slavic has been decreased to 60% (no it’s closer to the data from FTDNA – about the fact that my father is more European than me and mother).
• old South European has been increased to 31%, which does mean that mother is more southern European than me and father. Contains South/Central European for 20% and instead of old Ambiguous now we have new Balkan with 11%.

UPDATE JUN-2020. “Ancestry Composition” pie charts:

UPDATE Aug-2021 – after I uploaded Ancestry.com raw DNA file to DNA.land profile (for me only).

• North Slavic slightly bigger now – 65%
• South European is smaller now – 28%
  • South/Central European is smaller now – 27%
  • Balkan is smaller now – 1.1%
• but Sardinian 4.4% appeared as new section
• Northwest European is small now – 1.4%
• Ambiguos is smaller now – 1.2%

So main change consists from “shifting gears” from South and South European towards new section Sardinian, as result Balkan significantly decreased.

 

DNA.land has also “Ancestry Map” which is quite similar to FTDNA “myOrigins” map.

Based on OLD APPROACH (apr-2016):

I’ve already analyzed such map for my results in article “atDNA #2 [dna-land]” and here I will analyze differences between my parents an me.

• I can clearly say that I’m “mother’s son” because our maps are very similar, and it’s due to commonly shared Ashkenazi/Levantine ancestry with area explicitly in Poland and Lithuania. DNA.land shows, that father DNA has no matches with common Ashkenazi areas/ancestries.
• On the other hand, Lithuania is also country, where 3 of us has North Slavic ancestry. Also Belarus, Estonia, Ukraine and even Mordovian and Russian. I think it’s explained by the fact that Ukrainians as ethnicity is very related to Russian, Belorussian. But Mordovian it’s new for me.
• Kinda interesting and surprising for me, that Italian ancestry is common for all of us. Me and my parents we have DNA.land-defined matches commonly fond in Bergamo and Toskana areas. This is 2nd DNA.land opinion which is the same about me and my parents. First was about North Slavic.

On new map (Oct-2016) my Ashkenazi region not quite disappear, but became Ambiguous, as I mentioned above. I also update my old dedicated article “atDNA #2 [dna-land]“.

UPD: Uploaded raw data from FTDNA to DNA.land Jun-21-2017, and results are the same as Oct-2016. So I may assume.algorithm was settled down, and treated as stable.

What I can say now in general about DNA.land research, is following:

• My Ashkenazi segments/areas did not disappear, it’s simply is lower than mother’s, so DNA.land define it as Ambiguous. So it’s good sign about my further research of Ashkenazi, and now I know it’s definitely related to my mother.
• Comparing the majority of “Europeanity” by FTDNA, DNA.land defines it a bit different, in “edges” way. Instead of Eastern Europe, DNA.land defines solid North part and not very confident South part looking into more South/Central part.
• North Slavic (European) has been clarified more into father’s ancestry and Southern European into mother’s ancestry.

GenomeLink

They don’t support FTDNA raw data format, so upload failed. Later on, admins deleted that wrong data set from me, which gives me ability to upload again.

And I planned to upload data from MyHeritage. But I don’t have ability to download raw data from MyHeritage, as it’s described here:

And I assume it’s because I also uploaded data to MyHeritage time ago.

Maybe, support request/email will help. #TODO.

XCode Life

Ancestry Composition is different than others companies. I think it’s because of database they have contains many Americans, and that is why my genes found similar to nowadays Americans (who time ago migrated from Europe).

So

• 54.72% – just a bit more than 50% I’m European. Funny.
• 24.98% West Asia and Middle Eastern. Yes, I have it from FTDNA, MyHeritage but less value for sure.
• 10.25% of South Asian, and 1.92% of SouthernEast Asian, really?
• 4.88% of American, really?
• 1.79% Oceanian, ok it’s known for me as result from FTDNA and MyHeritage, but there I have less then 1%.
• 1.46% African. OK, if it’s ancient DNA, then I’m fine. But it’s odd.

Not sure, but looks like XCode.life made the threshold very very old/deep/low, so I suspect ancient DNA reflected on data.

So if to look European part detailed, then Lithuanian is majority.

This fact is kinda known for me, because other companies also shows similarity with Lithuania people/genetics. And also Italian is one of South Europe is always shown for me. It’s strange, then Russian is 3rd in list, and considering, the Russia is not Europe. Ukrainian as a ethnicity might be old, but as a nationality is quite young. If it’s really USA based database/statistics, then Ukrainian genetics must have be represented well enough. Odd.

Ancestry Wheel is a visual representation of Ancestry Composition.

HomeDNA

Aug-18-2018, I uploaded my FTDNA raw data to the HomeDNA web site, with expectation for “GPS Origins” test results.

Results (Aug-22-2018).

In fact there is shared version, here is LINK, but I’m not sure how long HomeDNA will support it.

No much of new, but still interesting. HomeDNA states:

GPS Origins test is an Autosomal (SNP) test that is not gender specific. Although both Migration Patterns represent your Maternal and Paternal DNA routes, we do not differentiate which route is maternal and which is paternal.

And here are 2 migration routes.

Migration Route A (red) is a connection between 3 locations on GPS Origins map:

• Romania (Focșani, East part of Romania, closer to border with Molodavia)
• Hungary (Mohács near Pécs) – South of Hungary
• Bosnia i Herzegovina, as HomeDNA says, but on map in fact on border with Serbia – location between Prapratncia (BiH) and Ljubinje (Serbia)

This route reminds me part of genetic matches location for my mother from FTDNA, MyHeritage and GEDMATCH – there are records  from Moldavia, but also yDNA matches, where a few matches are from Romania and Hungary. This doesn’t clear up (show) whose side this migration is – both my mother and father do have DNA matches in this region.

Clicking on every point on map, another story appears beneath the map:

Note about dates:

• 820 AD – 1354 AD – in generated PDF file for Story A.
• 733 AD – 1518 AD – shown on final, 3rd point on map.

Not sure, why it’s different, but I guess that first date range, on tooltip on map shows wider, global range for all migrations, but this date from PDF shows narrower dat range, I guess for my DNA samples. NOT SURE AT ALL – my GUESS ONLY !!!

Migration Route B (blue). This went through 3 Germany locations:

• Passau, East-South Germany not so far from Munich) – smaller radius
• Beyreuth, still East-South Germany, but closer to Central, closer to Nuremberg) – bigger radius
• Blankenbach (Central Germany, between Dortmund, Frankfurt am Main and Leipzig) – bigger, but the same radius as for Beyruth.

In regards to dates/years/time it’s not clear. There are 2 date ranges:

• 411 AD – 1141 AD first point, but from exported PDF date range is
• 430 AD – 1111AD which is shown on tooltip for final, 3rd point on map.

Here is Migration Route B story:

So looks like both migration were both from East to West, and caused by Huns, Alans and later Avars who pushing out people who were living at that time to West and West-South.

There was also migration to Germany from North – from Scandinavian aka Fenoscandinavia, from Poland and also from Eastern Europe.

Here is Gene pools and regions:

• 17.9% Fennoscandia (sounds like very artificial area to combine Finland, Denmark, Sweden and Norway)
• 14% Orkey Islands
• 13.2% Southern France

And other, in percentages:

Majority shows, that genetics is from North Europe. Which is relatively the same as in other companies results.

BTW, it also shows Central America 🙂 for 0.9.% and “Western South America” for 0.3.% which is still surprise for me, but not as much as in XCodeLife (4.88%). Anyway, I more confident, that this is influence of the fact it’s USA based database. !!!

It also shows “The Souther Levant” for 0.4% witch I guess related a very bit to Ashkenazi Jews, but very far. Because Levant is rather “Middle Eastern” area not Europe.

This all is very interesting 🙂 Exported PDF files contain lot of text to read about these migration and the history on background. It’s short, but well enough to grasp by people who don’t know history so good as Historians.

 

GenVue Discovery

2016: I couldn’t upload. No proper data file. I was able to upload VCF file, but looks either not fully supported format or results are misinterpreted. Not sure. In most cases it says “No variants were found…”:

2023 – Upoloaded file from Acestry.com. Got some results. Reaaly similar as Promethease.

 

Geneanet

 

Feb-2021. I uploaded raw DNA file from FTDNA to Geneanet.

In fact not much. From benefits, I can manage 3 DNA files from one account (myself).

And as result I can contact with people – DNA Matches of myself and my parents.

 

No ethnicity admixture forecast, just DNA matches – so far not much – all are BELOW even 0.3%. Somehow reminds my LivingDna.

 

Genotek

Actually I got information about Genotek somewhere in 2019-2020, and I uploaded raw DNA file from FTDNA, but I realized that platform requires payment to get at least ethinicity results. So I forgot about it. In 2022 appeared some discount system, and using promocode uploadtogenotek and it gave me discount from 2995 RUB to final proce 51 RUB.

 

Vahaduo

TBD

 

TODO

• https://www.ethnogene.com/
• https://borlandgenetics.com
• https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal

 

General Ancestry/Ethnicity admixture/makeup Outcomes

1. Since I’ve got atDNA results for my mother, I do research of Ashkenazi/Levantine dna/ancestry/history, in particular in West/South Poland, so that I can find more detail about potential ancestry and relations in past.
2. Also Lithuania, as North region it became source of Slavs and Ashkenazi for my research.
3. North vs. South European is 2nd and 3rd directions of my research. In particular – Balkans vs. Gagaguz vs. Moldawian vs. Hungarian.
4. I know that in this DNA/genetics research there may be errors/mistakes/not correct data. But I have what I have – DNA data, and I do different analysis to clarify all edge cases to be more confident.
5. There is no very confident point in any research directions I’m doing. Saying so, I know that everything can be changed depends on criterias. As @Val commented on my article “Don’t pay too much attention to the south components of DNA.land, because they float from one to another without any consistent pattern.” I take this concern into consideration for further research and data comparison.
6. MyHeritage Ancestry Estimate results showed me some correlations with FTDNA and DNA.land results. New for me is Oceania genes, which are small but still.

Here is combined table:

I plan to publish articles here on blog with more analytical research details:

• about mtDNA results for my mother. Done – here.
• about my atDNA matches and analysis how far “Cousins” we are.
• about GEDMATCH Matches analysis.
• about ancientDNA, which is very “far away research” but still interesting.
• about Ashkenazi research and analysis of this DNA direction.
• about North Slavic and South European relations with Ukraininas/Rusyns/WhiteCroats/Vendi/Duliby/Drewlianye/Dregowychi so that I could cover my own Slavic ancestry.
• about connection between Balkan people and Slavs. Because in fact, Y SNP I-CTS10228 shows, that proto-Slavs were migrated to Balkan countries and left offspring, and now we have YDNA SNP I-S1720 and I-Ph908 which are children Y chromosome mutation for I-CTS10228.

More details about my Y-DNA research in my article “I2a1b2a1 aka I-CTS10228“.

More details about “Surnames and Locations” is keep-updating article, where I collect all data since I do my genealogy and genetics research.

Resources:

• Family and DNA.
• [2012] Jtest K14 – the Eurogenes Ashkenazi ancestry test
• [2013] Updated Eurogenes K13 now at GEDmatch.
• [2017] Family Tree DNA myOrigins Ethnicity Update – No April Foolin’
• [2017] Sephardic Shock: New update to FTDNA’s MyOrigin
• [2017] Comparing Ethnicity Estimates
• [2017] Population Clusters in myOrigins [FTDNA]
• [2017] MyHeritage Releases Ethnicity Estimates for DNA Transfers
• [2017] Updated MyHeritage Ethnicity Estimates are now available for all users
• [2017] MyHeritage Ethnicity Estimate (by Cenel Eoghain)
• [2017] A Gedmatch Admixture Guide!
• [2017] How autosomal DNA is inherited: 3 siblings compared
• [2017] MapMy23 (convert an Ancestry.com raw dna file into a format accepted by FTDNA).
• [2020] Sneak Preview: FamilyTreeDNA’s myOrigins Version 3.0.
• [2020] Introducing Genetic Groups at MyHeritage.
• [2021] How Can YOU Get Theories of Family Relativity at MyHeritage?
• [2021] Geneanet: The Chromosome Browser (Shared DNA segments)